New Episode of The .NET Show: Longhorn Fundamentals
Just a little bit late, but we've just posted a new episode of “The .NET Show”.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/episode043/default.asp
In this episode, we close out the coverage of the “Pillars Of Longhorn” by covering the “Fundamentals”. As a specific topic, this might be a little on the vague side, but that doesn't in any way decrease the importance of dealing with application and system fundamentals as part of our overall Longhorn Objectives.
It might be easy to list off and identify core technologies such as Avalon for Graphics, WinFS for Data Storage, and Indigo for Communications, but the fourth pillar of "Longhorn" is a little more elusive then that. Longhorn "Fundamentals" is an important part of what we feel is part of the core experience of Longhorn. It includes User Experience, System Security, Application Deployment, System Manageability, as well as many other features and capabilities.
We start out with Sanjay Shenoy and Glenn Pittaway covering some of the core architectural concepts associated with several of the Fundamentals of Longhorn. Later, Jeffrey Snover and Jim Truher provide an exciting demo of "Monad" (aka. MSH), a new and highly programmable command shell that will be available in Longhorn.
I for one, and quite interested in the features and capabilities that Monad/MSH represents. Just because graphical interfaces are “cool”, doesn't mean that there is significant value and functionality that can be provided through more of a command oriented interface. Hopefully you'll find this special demonstration to spark your interests as well.
Comments
Anonymous
June 18, 2004
longhorn again.. argh,Anonymous
June 18, 2004
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June 18, 2004
This reminds me of this quote:
"Those who don't understand UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly."
--Henry SpencerAnonymous
June 18, 2004
Zane,
Ok, I'll take the bait.
If you are implying that this "monad" thing is a late implementation of what various *nix implementations have had for years, then I suppose I agree with you. I've been writing "console" based applications for almost my entire time at Microsoft which have been doing various levels of deep access to features and capabilities that can often only be accessed at the "command" level. Of course, I've also been writing a wide variety of "graphical" applications which provide features and capabilities which can only be accessed from a GUI.
The thing that really gets me excited about Monad, is that it provides an actively accessible "object" model that allows an application not to just be doing I/O at the "text" level of those other platforms, but be able to dive straight into the actual features and capabilities of the applications themselves.
Can you provide details that show how other systems provide a similar level of integration?
-Robert HessAnonymous
June 18, 2004
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June 19, 2004
Zane,
The overall vision for all shells is probably something like the following:
1) Provide an environment to give-input-to and receive-output-from other processess, and
2) Orchestrate interactions between one process' output and another's input.
The difference with Monad is that it is a much richer approximation of this overall vision than what I've seen in the past. It looks great to me and I can't wait to play with it.
It seems like you are deriding Microsoft for coming up with a better approximation of an old vision. Does that really make sense? I mean progress must be made.
Perhaps you think that no real progress is being made with Monad. Fair enough. However, if the work being done with Monad really doesn't interest or impress you, then why put forth the effort to actively criticize it? Why have passionate opinions for something you have no passion for? Live and let live.Anonymous
June 19, 2004
monad msh links
http://dotnetjunkies.com/WebLog/stefandemetz/archive/2004/04/20/11794.aspxAnonymous
June 19, 2004
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June 20, 2004
So, you do know that having easily composable and easily gui-able little programs as with the .net shell is pretty much going to ruin the applications-division?
Think about it, if you can put together robust compositions from little open-source utils that anyone can write, where does that leave the big clunky apps?
Cool tech, horrible business decision.Anonymous
June 21, 2004
Hi Robert,
I saw the video, monad is very interesting :)
I was wondering if I could have access to the msh code demo-ed during the show. I can't seem to be able to find a link to the code.Anonymous
June 21, 2004
I guess this serves the purpose for now.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/Episode043/Transcript.htmlAnonymous
June 27, 2004
Hi,
Can We watch this Shows in TV ?
or In Sattelite TV ?Anonymous
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Maybe Microsoft should just add ActivePerl?Anonymous
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no, Microsoft should do what Apple did, make the kernel Unix.Anonymous
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